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SAVOTW







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# Thread - 2008-01-19 at 4:52 PM
As many of you may know we have several gate types we want to impliment into the mod e.g. EA 4 element and narn gates.
But we are currently debating on the internal board as to whether we should include the minbari gate seen in 'Legends' and maybe new designs for the centauri, vorlon and maybe shadows(or some sort of ancients generic gate to cover the last 2 and unknown sectors?)

My take is that each MAJOR race should have at least one gate type of it's own, with the minor races using the gates of others to connect their systems - depending on who they were on good trading terms with ? So minor races near narn sectors might have narn gates etc...

Having gates for every race would be too much and I cannot see that as a possible option.

We could just use the EA and narn gates and nothing else? treating the EA one as a generic universal one to use in most cases i.e. not narn.

Anyway now is your chance to voice an opinion


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Laphtiya


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# Answer: 1 - 2008-01-19 at 6:37 PM
Well if your remember most gates were found by races as they ventured out into space and found them, reversed engineered them and built some for themselves. So most gates should physically look the same. Never saw "legends" so a pic would be nice


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SAVOTW
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# Answer: 2 - 2008-01-19 at 6:41 PM
This is the gate at minbar and Beta Durani7 from Legends


So which one did they reverse engineer? wasn't EA one or narn and this is the only other I have seen.


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Laphtiya


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# Answer: 3 - 2008-01-19 at 6:43 PM
Looks good, looks like an ancient gate that most of the new B5 gates are based on if you ask me. I would have that in say a "hidden" sector of space a kind of easter egg if you hunt it out. Maybe get warped to a sector of space where you can find something to salvage ?


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# Answer: 4 - 2008-01-19 at 6:50 PM
If we use it, then it is likely to become the ancient(generic) one seen in minbari, vorlon, unknown and many others that another type of gate would be unsuitable for.


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OmEgA


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# Answer: 5 - 2008-01-19 at 6:50 PM
In the original show we only see two different gate models.
EA- and Narn-type gates should be enough. I don't see the necessity to put any more time in implementing rather trivial stuff like that. Plus, Legends is a pile of sh*t. Nothing good comes from it.


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Laphtiya


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# Answer: 6 - 2008-01-19 at 6:52 PM
Well if you do what I said and use it as something you can stumble upon if you know where to look for it and you'll end up with some goodies then yeah its worth putting in.


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SkycladGuardian


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# Answer: 7 - 2008-01-19 at 6:52 PM
Hm, my suggestion is that you give every major race its own gate design. I think it adds to atmosphere and it is also a nice gameplay element if you can recognise the territory or the zones of influence (meaning, if the sector has a narn gate, you are either in narn space or close to it) by the gates.

The minbari gate looks good. Like to see it in the game


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# Answer: 8 - 2008-01-19 at 6:53 PM
hmm - no Liandra then? and a narn gate in centauri space and an EA gate in vorlon space???


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SkycladGuardian


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# Answer: 9 - 2008-01-19 at 7:05 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the Centauri sold the gate technology to the humans, so EA gates in Centauri space would be appropriate


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OmEgA


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# Answer: 10 - 2008-01-19 at 8:00 PM
19.01.2008 um 18:53 Uhr - SAVOTW:
hmm - no Liandra then? and a narn gate in centauri space and an EA gate in vorlon space???

If it was me deciding that - yes. No Liandra. Gates like depicted throughout the show.
But it certainly isn't me, who's in charge here.


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A2597


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# Answer: 11 - 2008-01-19 at 9:36 PM
I think it should be

Narn gates in narn sectors.
minbari in minbari / firstone sectors.

EA in all EA/Centauri/LONAW sectors. Seeing as how the EA seems to be the most generous of the races, I think we'd be the ones building gates for all of the other races. (In exchange for some nice trade negotiations)

Not to mention, we seem to be the only race with Explorer class ships.


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# Answer: 12 - 2008-01-19 at 10:28 PM
Gotta say I agree with you A2597


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OmEgA


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# Answer: 13 - 2008-01-19 at 10:45 PM
Seems like some good idea.


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I_E_Maverick







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# Answer: 14 - 2008-01-20 at 1:45 AM
i agree with A2597 either


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Taelan


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# Answer: 15 - 2008-01-20 at 2:54 AM
Just read through the threads here, and I have to say: Awesome work, guys!

To the matter with the jumpgates:

I've got the "Darkness & Light: Shadow and Vorlon Factbook" which is part of the D20 Babylon 5 RPG system of Mongoose Publishing. As far as I know the information provided within the books is considered canon to the show (although I'm not quite sure, but as the team uses the Mongoose maps for the galaxy, I think we can regard the information given as canon).
Anyway, the book states that the beacon and jumpgate network was constructed by the Vorlons between 1.5 and 1 million years ago during a time the book refers to as "the Vigil".

It says "While the earliest known jumpgates date to only around 20000 bz (Before Z'ha'dum), it is virtually certain that there was an earlier network of gates. While all the First Ones developed the technology to navigate hyperspace without the use of beacons, the beacon system and jumpgates are simply easier and more efficient for most purposes. I surmise the Vorlons began constructing gates early in their civilisation's lifetime, and the gate network discovered by the Minbari was put in place during the Vigil."

If I remember right, it is revealed in a conversation between Londo and Garibaldi that Earth bought the jumpgate technology from the Centauri, so the EA gates would in fact be Centauri designed gates (maybe with minor changes). Earth and the Centauri spread the gates through League space, so we end up with 3 types of jumpgates: Earth/Centauri, Narn and Vorlon/Minbari. All of them would be originally Vorlon designs, which explains the general similarity.

I suppose the Vorlon gates would be quite low tech to themselves, as they agreed with the other remaining First Ones to stay in disguise when dealing with younger races. Also the intention behind the construction of the gates was to provide the younger races with an easier start into their spacefaring age, so the technology used must be simple enough for them to adapt.

Therefore I think three types of gates would be fine, maybe do not put them exactly within the borders of just the according race, but blur the areas of use for a certain type a bit (for example some Centauri gates next to Vorlon space are Vorlon/Minbari in design, some gates in League space next to the Narn Regime are of Narn design).



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# Answer: 16 - 2008-01-20 at 12:28 PM
I say use them, the more designs the better, races can make gates, and lets face it, the ones that the ancients created that were found, were probably not in good condition. Also with the many wars that happen in the Babylon 5 universe I am sure many of them get broken and need repaired or destroyed and need replaced.

Just randomize each racial sector to have either an ancient gate, hybrid repaired gate or an ancient gate. Also perhaps to the uninhabited sectors a very old worn ancient gate. The possibility of verities would be nearly endless as you could have many interesting racial gates.


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SAVOTW
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# Answer: 17 - 2008-01-20 at 1:30 PM
I'm surpised that it was the vorlons. I thought in one of the episodes that it was said to be another ancient, before the vorlons( loriens lot perhaps?). Anyway there seems to be some sort of concensus towards EA,Narn,Minbari.
I must admit I would have loved to see Centauri, vorlon and shadow variations but the above three shared around the galaxy is a start

And welcome to the board Taelan


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# Answer: 18 - 2008-01-20 at 4:30 PM
Thanks to all for comments
Here is a little something as a thank you, it's not much!
I was flying around and doing some tests. You've seen a lot of it before so I can think of no reason not to show you. *Remember this is not the gallery! just a few pics from me to you*











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OmEgA


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# Answer: 19 - 2008-01-20 at 5:06 PM
Hey, thanks!


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I_E_Maverick







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# Answer: 20 - 2008-01-20 at 7:28 PM
i sont think that shadows would need gates as they can phase jump between hyperspace and normal space.


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